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PATCH ASKS: Ban Horse Carriages?

Bayside lawmaker Sen. Tony Avella says horse drawn coaches are cruel, and should be banned. Do you agree?

Some think them romantic. Some view them as fun and kitsch. State Sen. Tony Avella and the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals believe that the horse drawn carriage businesses operating in Midtown are cruel.

The Bayside Times reported this week that there have been seven incidences with these horses in 2011 that were investigated by the ASPCA. A horse recently fell while pulling four passengers.

“This issue is clearly coming to a head just because of a number of accidents reported lately,” the senator told Bayside Times. “The industry is trying to be on its best behavior and it’s still happening.”

The report also revealed that Avella may be coming to a head with one of his own consituents, in putting forth legislation to ban the carriage rides. The Vice President of the Horse and Carriage Association of NY, Eva Hughes, lives in Bayside, and says half a dozen drivers and owners live in Bayside too.

“Sen. Avella has been made aware of our stellar safety record. He can say it’s dangerous all he wants all day long. The fact is, statistically, our industry is the safest equine pursuit,” she told the paper. “With only three deaths in 30 years, it’s not a good record; it’s an extraordinary record.”

“It is being proven over and over, year after year that mixing these horses with busy city traffic is a recipe for disaster," Avella has said. "The only humane thing to do for sake of these animals is to shut down the industry and retire the horses.”

Would you like to see an end to the horsedrawn carriage industry in New York?

Rowan Morrison December 22, 2011 at 03:51 PM
@karen - the horses born in the western U.S. are feral - they came from domesticated horses. Check out your facts before spewing nonsense next time and save us all some time. And so you don't get the chance to twist my words - no one is advocating that the horses currently living domesticated lives be sent to the west to live. There are true sanctuaries (not ones that still work the horses for $$$) that will take them.
Rowan Morrison December 22, 2011 at 03:56 PM
@Laura - I answered your questions. I can't help it if you don't like the answers. @Karen - no reasonable person would consider a place that still "works" horses by RENTING THEM OUT FOR ENTERTAINMENT (have to shout because you're ignoring that part - I showed you the link where the horses were rented out for "romantic" carriage rides on Valentine's Day, nothing "educational" about that, just pure $$$ for entertainment) as a sanctuary. However, I agree with you that animal abusers like the Kenneth Feld from Ringling Bros and the carriage horse abusers have their own definition of "sanctuary." Since the public supports sending animals to sanctuaries, everyone is taking over the word to the point where it really means nothing.
Karen Keirstead December 22, 2011 at 04:07 PM
@Rowan your remarks themselves show how clueless you really are. Renting Out implies that the use of the horses was turned over to someone else to use because they paid for them. Not true! These horses were working, do you understand what that word means? It means earning a living; paying your own way. Do you understand what that means? Draft horse MUST WORK to stay healthy. If they don't work they get lame; develop bone diseases; and get depressed. GET A CLUE as what a horse is. Have you ever in your entire life been near a horse or worked with one? Do you even know what a horse looks like? I know there is a part of the horses anatomy you certainly are acting like. How can you call yourself an animal lover when you stated that horses in the wild do fine without human intervention. THEY ARE STARVING TO DEATH in the wild; and you say that's a good thing. There are no words to describe just what an awful hateful and cruel person you are. You are an animal abuser of the worst kind, and the morse you write here just proves my point.
Laura Mcfarland-Taylor December 22, 2011 at 04:26 PM
I am also well aware of what the Horse Protection Act says – what I was talking about was the proposed amendment to that act. Here is the exact quote of what I said in an earlier post: “If you REALLY care about keeping horses out of the slaughter pipeline, you will ask your representatives to pass H.R. 503/S. 311, the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act, which would "amend the Horse Protection Act to prohibit the shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling, or donation of horses and other equines to be slaughtered for human consumption, and for other purposes."”
Karen Keirstead December 22, 2011 at 10:24 PM
Here is the definition of Feral: 1. existing in a natural state, as animals or plants; not domesticated or cultivated; wild. 2. having reverted to the wild state, as from domestication: a pack of feral dogs roaming the woods. 3. of or characteristic of wild animals; ferocious; brutal. Once again Blue Star Equiculture by definition (your fantasy doesn’t count). The people of Blue Star Equiculture get NONE OF THE MONEY THE HORSES EARN! The horses earn their own keep. I realize this is a concept that is lost on many people. Draft horses need to work in order to stay healthy. Rowan you are the most uninformed person I have communicated with on this page. You have no idea about Draft Horses, and if it’s true (I and I have my doubts) that you have worked with horses in the past you should try it again because you’ve forgotten everything. You not only need to get a clue, you need to invest in a dictionary. You don’t seem to understand the words you use.

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