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Jews Against Unfiltered Internet to Face Protesters at Citi Field

“Everybody is aware that in one click, you can be in a very dark space spiritually,” said one local rabbi.

A group of fervently Orthodox Jews reportedly set to gather at Citi Field later this month for a conference on the dangers of the internet will have counter protesters.

The secondary protest is titled “The Internet Is Not The Problem,” and has been organized on, of all places, facebook.

The pro-internet faction hopes to fly in the face of a loose confederation of Ultra Orthodox leaders who have reportedly raised $1.5 million to rent out the inside of the stadium on May 20. They will reportedly use the massive space to rally against and discuss the problems the internet has caused the insular community.

“It is well known that in recent times through the Internet many serious family-related problems have been created, and it all happens because of it, and something must be done so they won’t be hurt,” the group, known as the Great Men of Israel, said in a statement translated by the Jewish Press. “And since this touches almost everyone, we must assemble together to protect and be protected, and we hope that through this gathering in search of ideas we will be helped from Heaven to save the many, and may it be that we will be successful in encouraging the public not to stumble over this obstacle, and the Lord will guide us in a truthful path,” they added.

But not all Jews are sympathetic to the anti-internet cause. Ari Mandel, a secular Jew who was raised as a Hassid before leaving the fold, began the counter protest for outside the stadium, because he feels the attention of the Hassidic leadership ought to be turned elsewhere.

“It’s infuriating that these rabbis are so focused on the Internet, instead of far more serious dangers,” said Mandel, who was thinking specifically of the problem of child molestation—which he says someone close to him has been a victim of.

“In my mind, there is one calamity so serious it trumps any other concern: Jewish leadership needs to totally reform how they keep our children safe,” he added.

To Rabbi Yossi Blesofsky of , the internet can be a serious hazard to children.

“Everybody is aware that in one click, you can be in a very dark space spiritually,” he said, adding, “Whether it’s pornography, or crime…racism, hate, or learning how to make a bomb—that’s how dangerous it is.”

Blesofsky wished to emphasize that he is not an organizer of the Citi Field conference—and may not even attend—but does find some common ground with the organizers, who are of different Orthodox sects.

“It’s about educating our children to understand the power of the internet and the danger of it,” he said, adding, “You can’t say that the internet is evil. That’s silly. That’s sort of immature. The issue is you have to use it in a positive manner.”

Pepe Post May 7, 2012 at 04:59 pm
Oh my... this sounds like the taliban beheading the infidel in the statadium
bob young May 7, 2012 at 05:08 pm
I think the internet is an incredible resource improving life and productivity. Any interference with the free flow and access to information will be detrimental, no matrter how good the intentions are
JC May 7, 2012 at 05:52 pm
I thought this went away with burning Beatles records and comics books. Maybe we can go back to actually parenting our children and teaching them to make good choices instead of blaming everything. Internet browsers also come with parent controls to block the offenses listed the article but it requires a parent to actually set them.
TheGreek May 7, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Filter your own internet, fine. But don't you dare filter MY internet. It's as bad as burning books, which no rabbi would condone. Is that plain enough?
Harriet Brown May 8, 2012 at 06:57 pm
Most Jewish people do not want this and do not oppose the unfiltered internet.
Eugenia May 9, 2012 at 03:38 am
WOW! did i miss something? did the constitution get rewritten?
my family can't live without WiFi, but we're not blind to the internet's many serious dangers. OH WAIT, NOW i get it. these people are DIFFERENT. they speak, dress, and behave differently. they eat weird food and have unusual beliefs. that definitely disqualifies them from protection under THE FIRST AMENDMENT: freedom of religion, the right to free speech, the right to assemble, the right to petition...how DARE they assume that they have the same liberties as "regular" Americans! the next thing you know we'll have hillbillies, red necks and trailer trash wanting to put in their two cents! Y O U A R E A L L B I G O T S
APatriot May 9, 2012 at 03:07 pm
Wow. They want to turn us into Israel and burn the US Constitution! Where are all the Republicans when you need them?
Notice how Sean Hannity and Rush haven't said a word about this? Don't want to upset your masters now do you?
Sara May 9, 2012 at 06:36 pm
Completely agree with Ari Mandel in the article. And it is %100 up to the parents to protect their children from the dangers of the internet, and the rest of the world for that matter
abe gutis May 11, 2012 at 04:20 pm
something not normal is bothering you. search yourself. i think its racism
Jane Doe May 11, 2012 at 06:17 pm
The reason they oppose unfiltered Internet is because their kids are actually becoming educated and seeing how completely stupid their beliefs really are. This has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with CHEESEBURGERS, the most forbidden thing in their religion. Yes, I would be threatened too.
JC May 11, 2012 at 07:36 pm
I dont know much about Orthodox Jews but this article I read in the NY Times was startling to me http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/nyregion/for-ultra-orthodox-in-child-sex-abuse-cases-prosecutor-has-different-rules.html?_r=1&hp
Its basically about how the Jewish community covers crimes against children so as not to embarass the Jewish community. After reading the article I think even less of this protest. All that money spent to do this that you think could have been used in other ways to educate your people.
darryl pitt May 12, 2012 at 10:01 am
Sure, they have the right to meet, and to express their opinions....which in this case are backward, ignorant and embarrassing
bd May 13, 2012 at 03:01 am
The jewish community is right..the parental controls that come with the computers or browsers can be foiled by most 6 year olds...kudos to them for caring enough about their youth to do this. and if they feel this is a worthy cause why should aaaaanyone knock it. Unfortunately terrible things happen in all sectors of society not just this one dont be fooled by n.y.times anti jewish biased slant on everything
Sas May 13, 2012 at 04:07 am
This gathering is not about banning the Internet. It is about making sure those that have it in there homes install protection that filter unwanted and disgusting material from entering there homes and lowering the moral standard they intend for their children. No one is saying you cannot do what you want in your own home. They are trying to make sure that religious values are upheld in accordance with Jewish beliefs.
bob young May 13, 2012 at 04:20 am
it is the parents responsibility, nit the govts. in addition to the filters, I hope the parents are also instilling moral values as well. But the bottom line is get the freakin govt out of our lives. we dont need you to protect our children when parents should be doing it
Sas May 13, 2012 at 04:43 am
In the world we live in today you are constantly bombarded by information that contends with whatever the parents are teaching their children. Who are the authors of this information,do you approve of them and their values! And if you do not approve how will you really stop your kids from being affected by it when every device we own from game systems,phones,tablets,pc's etc. allow access to everything under the sun including very dangerous material such as pornography and worse. This group wishes to educate the Jewish community about these dangers and take precautions that will protect children. The Internet is amazing and has great value but it equally is a great danger.
Caroline Windsor May 13, 2012 at 05:24 am
What i read is that the men of Israel do not condem having the internet. They are making ignorant parents aware of the dangers. Lets not fool ourselves the internet has lots of dangers along with alot of good. However, in a community that are narrow minded individuals and.think that surfing the web will.do.no.harm have to be educated on the dos and don't s. I would not jump to any conclusions . It is after all a country of freedom of speech. They have not made it mandatory for jews or gentiles to attend, so whats all this blasting.
The Reb May 13, 2012 at 09:15 am
Stamp out Loshon Hora! Let's be ready!
carlos diaZ May 14, 2012 at 10:02 pm
I live in a jewish community the cops protect them even if they are wrong to me our laws dont apply to them.
nlm May 14, 2012 at 10:34 pm
I would want to cover the continous rapes of 8 year old boys and girls from these rabbis and not let it be shown in the internet world wide
hank ratner May 14, 2012 at 11:01 pm
So many bigoted, racist, uneducated people posting!
Marque El May 14, 2012 at 11:34 pm
First off- rabbi's can marry women and child molestation is NOT a huge problem in the Jewish community. You may be confusing Orthodox Jews with Catholic priests you ignorant Gentiles.
Second- it IS the parents and the community's responsibility to help educate and mediate the unknowns and dangers on the Internet. Not government. I'm an ardent conservative Jew. Not orthodox at all. I eat cheeseburgers and use electricity. I violate laws from 5000 years ago as my RIGHT to be a conservative Jewish father. I read and write Hebrew. I am so enbaressed and disappointed by thr bizarre posts made here showing major anti-semitism for NO reason. I feel dumber for having read your posts, award you no points, and mag G-d have mercy on your soul.
Marque El May 15, 2012 at 12:02 am
As well- perhaps a liitle education for the gentile population might help here. As you may know - only 16 million Jews are left in the WORLD. Are u shocked? I was. We are less than 1 percent of 1 percent of this world. We have about 650k orthodox Jews and the rest are either conservative or reform Jews. Conservative and reform Jews, who make up 90% or more of the worlds Jews, allow marriage to both men or women. This isn't to say child abuse doesn't happen. It clearly does. But no way does it happen to the extent suggested by some here not by the fallacious NY Times article. As a father of an 8 yr old who can surf the web better than I can- sure- we must work together to filter the web. I wouldn't attend this gathering but I certainly wouldn't Soeak out against it. Let me repeat this- 16 mil Jews left in the world. Yet for some reason- some here have the nerve to attack the orthodox community for trying to cone up with non- govnt solutions to protecting their kids and mine from the crazies on the Net. I suggest that any Christian/Muslim et al who wants to learn just how small the orthodox communities are in respect to the amount of Jews in the world - GOOGLE the facts before opening ur mouth and proving just how ignorant and anti-semetic you are. Also- since I can track all responses here by IP address- ur not anonymous and therefore- expect Massad at your door to confiscate your hard drives and bust you.
judah May 16, 2012 at 04:06 pm
your comment is highly inappropriate and disrespectful. I don't know how many cases were covered up, but I believe that reform is being made in this regard. By the way, when you hear that a molestation case is covered up, do you think that means that the purpotrator gets away with it? Please don't always judge what you hear and realize that third hand stories can become very fictitious very quickly.
I hope you pass better judgement next time you write off a whole sect of people and not make blanket statements.
anti May 20, 2012 at 03:24 pm
How could you be so biased. Everyone knows that drugs in our schools are non existent. Killings unheard of. breaking the heart of your loved one by having an affair and ripping apart a home with kids is also hardly heard of.
Joe Dowd (Editor) May 20, 2012 at 03:49 pm
I'd like to add my two cents to this argument: I think it's great that SOMEBODY could sell out Citi Field! G-d knows the Mets can't.
Mentsh May 20, 2012 at 05:53 pm
Just a few corrections/clarifications:
Many Chasidic Jews live in highly insular communities that neither understand nor care about the outside world. They shelter their children from what happens in golus -- exile -- by denying them a full secular education and cutting themselves off from certain technological developments. This does not mean, however, that these sects completely shun technology. In fact, cellular phone usage is very common among Satmar Jews that populate much of Brooklyn's religious enclaves. The main sources of information in this community, however, remain Yiddish print media such as Der Tog and Der Algemeyner Dzhornal. Certain groups of Chasidic Jews, such as the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, wholly embrace the Internet and use it as a way to teach others about Judaism and encourage secular Jews to perform mitzvos/commandments. Please understand that there are dozens of sects of Chasidic Jews; each has its own minhagim -- customs. Mainstream orthodoxy, i.e. "Modern Orthodox" Jews, do not share the same hard-line views as Chasidic Jews. Most Orthodox Jews live life just like you while following all the Torah's laws.
Mentsh May 20, 2012 at 05:57 pm
Regarding Marque El's comment: I respect you completely but must clear up a few technical points for the other readers (I am also a Conservative Jew):
1. Cheeseburgers and other "khazaray" are not permitted. You may choose to eat them, which is totally your choice, but it is not a part of "Conservative Judaism" in any way. Whether or not the majority of us actually keep kosher, keeping kosher is the law. 2. While you and I might agree that gay marriage should be legal (secular law of our country), Jewish law does not recognize same-sex unions. Most Conservative congregations would happily accept same-sex Jewish members, but there is no marriage equivalent in Judaism. The interesting thing about Conservative Judaism is that there is often a disconnect between what we are taught and what we do. We cannot, however, change what we teach. That's Judaism. The rest is us living in modern America as we wish.
Joem789 February 28, 2013 at 04:11 am
The unfiltered Internet is not suitable for children. And when I say children I mean anyone who is yet to become wise enough. That would be the 20s at least.
Giving kids the Internet is like giving them a large book full of good things, with porn pics in the middle, and then telling them to skip over the bad stuff. Kids have hearts of fools. They must be raised in the way they should go. This requires sheltering them from many of the things they should avoid, and disciplining them so that they can have the strength and courage to still avoid those things when they become independent. The last statement in the article is naive. There are far too many people not using the Internet in a positive manner and will always refuse to. So it will require a large policing to stop it all. There are those who continue to try and turn every corner of the WWW into a sewer. OpenDNS is not good enough. Too much of a hassle considering every time the broadband connection resets, one must go in manually and update the IP in openDNS controls. And its easy to bypass anyway. While I agree that we must educate our kids and raise them right. They are still born sinners. They aren't immune to temptation at all. But it is important that they be nurtured without corruption for a certain number of years. Partial isolation is the key. Block or turn off the Internet.
Harriet Brown February 28, 2013 at 04:28 pm
The internet is a tool. It can be used for good or evil. Parents need to monitor their children, if they don't want them to see everything on the internet. There are parental controls. But, it is similar to a newspaper, magazine or television. They can all be used for good or for evil.

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