Should Cuomo Allow Hydrofracking in the State?

Cast your vote on how you believe the governor should handle the issue of hydraulic fracturing.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo has yet to decide on whether to allow the controversial practice of hydrofracking in New York State.

A May 7 article in City and State suggests that the governor's decision on hydraulic fracturing could determine his environmental reputation.

Hydrofracking involves extracting natural gas and petroleum by drilling into rock layers.

Those who support the procedure believe it could be a source of energy and revenue for the state, while its opponents say it could pose dangers to the state's water supply.

The Douglaston Civic Association in March that was attended by state Sen. Tony Avella, D-Bayside, who is against hydrofracking, and former state Assemblyman Arthur "Jerry" Kremer, who discussed what he believed to be some of the positive aspects of the extraction process.

Patch wants to know what you think: Do you believe hydrofracking is a viable method of extracting gas and bringing in revenue for the state? Or, do you think the risks involved in the procedure are too risky? Cast your vote in Patch's poll and post your comment in the section provided below.

Jimmy May 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Pete, Thanks, hope your gas comes to NYC. I'm not ready to go back to the dark ages and I think you should (will) prosper from your land. We are not all fools throwing our garbage on the side of roads and we are not all fools believing the world is going to end if we drill for nat gas.
Joan DeSimone May 17, 2012 at 02:52 PM
what rock did you crawl out from! Do you think all these people with contaminated water are making this up???? Believe me, they would rather be living thier lives and enjoying them instead of having to fight for clean water at thier homes. I know many of them personally. they are good honorable people . As for under the sink, two wrongs do not make a right. Heres the problem, you all think you can put anything down the drain , into the earth, pollute, and it will just go away..... I do not use chemicals for my cleaning and most folks who know the truth and care about the future do not use them either. Children I know have more morals than to take a job like that..... IF you want to make money, go be a drug dealer, you can maybe make more money, and harm less people, and at least those using your product have a choice of the outcome. Wake up.... its not all about money..... Water is so much more precious, you cannot live without that....
Joan DeSimone May 17, 2012 at 02:57 PM
problem is , its not all responsible and there is not enought control to see to that it is..
Joan DeSimone May 17, 2012 at 03:09 PM
I own 165 acres and my neighbor 200 acres.... I would never never lease my land for this..... I have more morals than that
Gudrun Scott May 17, 2012 at 06:14 PM
After all that desciption you end up saying you have a right to extract a resource you own! For your information. the waste sludge, the air pollution ( Wyoming had as bad air pollution as Los Angeles due to fracking ) these effects as well as the deadly truck traffic affect all the citizens- not just you property owner who is an absentee landlord apparently. Over 50% of all land in an area were divided into surface rights and mineral rights because a long time ago the children left the land for the city and took the mineral rights with them-- why not- they did not have to pay taxes on them-- the surface right owner has been paying all the taxes for years and the mineral right owner has been paying nothing. Suddenly they want to come in and frack and talk all this nonsense of how much the love the land.
Gudrun Scott May 17, 2012 at 06:32 PM
Since Ronald Reagan, mountain top removal started in earnest and now it is more than 500 mountain tops that have been simply blown up and thrown into the valleys so this talk about how great everything will be in the future--- the Allegany Cumberand region is just plain eliminated for all of us to use the energy. A 100 car load full of coal train drives to Dunkirk Ny every week. The topic of conservation is what we need to hone in on - not using even more energy for what: I see some really obese people sitting on riding their lawn mowers or driving ATV........get me back to those horse and buggy days when the food was healthy and people sat around the dinner table together....without being knee deep in debt and without having a climate instability crisis every week- flood, tornado, drought - brought on by burning too much fossil fuel.
Paul May 18, 2012 at 12:17 AM
You dumb hippie left overs ... The EPA .... That's right the EPA HAS FOUND NOTHING WRING WITH FRACKING WHATSOEVER ...USA needs its own energy and remember this is CLEAN BURNING GAS creating thousands of jobs during 9% unemployment .... You foolish people ,...
Rudy May 18, 2012 at 03:47 PM
If he does, follow the money. Watch the campaign contributions and lets figure who GOT after GIVING Rudy
Charlotte Gerber May 19, 2012 at 05:56 PM
Propane drilling will probably replace hydrofracking before this happens in NY anyway, so it is probably a moot point. Though I'm not a landowner, I believe that landowners have a right to decide what they do with their property. Unless the DEC can show there are polluted aquifers, people should be able to develop their properties as they see fit.
Alphonse May 20, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Fracking has been used for more than 50 years successfully with no evidence of any harm. The cracks are the thickness of a piece of paper and merely allow the gas to escape from within the pores of the very dense rock that is one to two MILES deep. Cheap, abundant energy is the only thing that leads to economic prosperity for all. So, if you think electricity comes from a wall outlet or that the gas you cook and heat with comes from a pipe in your basement [or that food comes from a supermarket], you should think about where the true sources of your energy and food are and how they get to you. What happens if everyone starts to think: "freeze in the dark, immobilized, forever". It's fun to gather together to protest ... but those folks are not providing your electricity, your natural gas, your gasoline, and your food.
Dave Petersen May 20, 2012 at 07:45 PM
The science leaves little doubt that natural gas fracking is safe and that natural gas is one of the most versatile and probably the cleanest form of energy available. There is enough available to reduce or eliminate our dependence on foreign energy sources. The people who criticize and oppose obtaining it are myopic and we should not pay attention to them any longer. We need to move forward. You can't eat without killing animals (unless you are a vegetarian). The animal rights people would have everyone be a vegetarian. You can't stay warm without energy. There has been enough scientific research indicating the safety of fracking. The industry is ever advancing and improving. As long as it is regulated it is the answer to our current energy needs. You will never convince the environmentalist regardless of the facts. It's time to leave them out of the conversation.
Mary Campbell May 21, 2012 at 03:32 AM
Thanks to Dick Cheney, the energy act of 2005 exempted the oil and gas industry from at least 7 environmental laws including the Clean Water, Clean Air, and Clean Drinking Water Acts... They are sucking up millions of gallons of fresh water, using chemical cocktails considered to be proprietary, dumping flowback fluids in our rivers, streams, water treatment facilities, and on our roads - without any disclosure or accountability. If fracking is so safe, make them play by the rules that all other industry is required to do. Remove the "Halliburton Loopholes" before they are allowed to proceed.
Stan S. May 21, 2012 at 03:56 AM
Everybody blames Cheney for the loopholes they claim were put in place when actually it was two senators from California who said to much momey was being spent on regulating an industrys water use that has never had a case of ground water pollution, and felt that it would save the government money by lifting the regulations on a well tried and proven method. If you all felt that this was done under the table in 2005 why did you wait until drilling was introduced in NY to open your mouths. NIMBY's are self centered and this proves it, Until drilling was introduced in NY Nykers didn't give it a second thought. But pointing this out doesn't matter because the EPA & Every other state being drilled had a hearing in Washington DC last febuary on hydraulic fracturing and every oversight environmentail and state regulators all said the same thing under oath. HVHF has never caused water aquifer pollution.
Bucky Clark May 21, 2012 at 03:25 PM
This a no brainer as far as benfitting the State once Fracking is approved and starts creating jobs, employment and a source of taxes for NY State. The Green revolution has proven to be a failure, with little or no impact on energy generation! Natural Gas is a proven commodity with cleaner electric generation, cheaper costs and efficiency with little to no environmental impacts as previously stated by lying environmentalists and green energy proponents. Governor Cuomo will go down as one of the worst governors NY State has ever had should he not take the same paths as PA, OH and ND as far as allowing fracking.
Alphonse May 21, 2012 at 06:33 PM
North Dakota: In March, North Dakota became the second leading oil producing state in the US, exceeding Alaska. In less than a year it went from number 4 to 2 and in eight years from number 8 to 2. This increase is primarily due to hydraulic fracturing of oil bearing shale to extract high quality crude (tight oil). The production of the next two leading states, Alaska and California, has been severely limited by regulations by Washington and California. If anyone reading this would be interested in learning more ... visit www.sepp.org and click on the TWTW newsletter. The current issue of the TWTW newsletter has a link to an article describing how North Dakota is using hydrofracking with 3-D seismic surveys and precisely directed horizontal drilling to tap that natural gas [and oil] trapped with the pores of the high density rock one to two miles down. As a result of that oil development work, North Dakota has an unemployment that is about the lowest in the United States. The north central part of Pennsylvania has similar success ... with natural gas, which they are supplying to New York State. You can tour the border areas of New York State and Pennsylvania north of Towanda, Pennsylvania and witness for yourself the radical differences in economic development. Pennsylvania is prospering. New York State is in depression. Go and see for yourself.
Gudrun Scott May 21, 2012 at 08:24 PM
I did go and see for myself: I live in New York State -This April I dove thru Northern Pa when I drove to Washington DC in April. A bear crossed right in front of the car-- trying to escape the drill activity-- I have never seen a bear do this before ever and driven down that same route for many years ( Route 6 and Route 660 ). There were pockets of stinky air-- a sick sweet chemical stink -- I would escape out of that area just like that bear if this was my neighborhood.. For all that pollution and disruption of trees and land etc, the total unemployment percentage in those northern Pa counties went down only 1% max from about 8% to 7% for the entire year and many counties had less that 1% .http://www.bls.gov/ro3/palaus.htm Is that worth the destruction of land, trees, soil, water, air ? That job creation will diminish as the wells are simply maintained and not drilled. After the gas is sucked out in max 10-15 years per well, there is nothing but pollution that will continue for another 10 years oozing out as "production" fluid. Better do renewable farming that can be done all four seasons and increases the topsoil and grossed $125,000 on a couple of acres: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/garden/living-off-the-land-in-maine-even-in-winter.html?pagewanted=all:
Gudrun Scott May 21, 2012 at 08:51 PM
not only is there a loophole in the drinking water and air pollution etc-- but also a loophole for oil and gas truckers and their vehicles- the drivers need not rest the required hours that other drivers must rest and the vehicles are not as safe either-- accidents kill drillers and innocents who had nothing to do with drilling .http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/subjects/t/trucks_and_trucking/index.html
Alphonse May 22, 2012 at 09:52 AM
Gosh, only a reduction in unemployment of one percentage point! 7%, you say. Wow. Binghampton is around 9%. Towanda is around 6%. Unemployment in Bradford County, Pennsylvania is around 6.0%. Binghampton is around 9%. Economic prosperity means nothing to you! Unemployment in all of the natural gas development areas has been dropping about one percentage point per year. How is NYS doing? NYS as a whole is around 8.5% and those are the official stats. If you looked at the details, NYS is probably a lot worse. There are positive articles on Wilkes-Barre and Williamsport. The drilling companies are repaving the local roads, spending hundreds of millions of dollars, to a higher standard than the DOT and also doing it faster. And there are lots of help-wanted adverts. And the biggie problem along Route 6 in Towanda and Wysox is ... traffic congestion ... due to economic prosperity. PennDOT is putting a lot of effort in addressing the traffic issues. As you drive around, take a look at the new barns and fixed up homes and new cars and trucks and tractors. [By the way, unemployment in North Dakota with their oil development is only 3% ... and keep in mind ... generally 5% is considered full employment. Remind me again ... your own words ... Pennsylvania unemployment is down around 1% ... and how is NYS doing?]
Dave Petersen May 22, 2012 at 05:00 PM
I live in New York also; right on the PA border. I had bears cross the road right in front of my car twice while traveling to the Poconos (before they ever started drilling). The bears do it all the time. We can't put our garbage out the night before around here because the bears will get into it. To say that gas drillers are the cause for bears crossing the road in front of cars is an execellent example of how bizarre you wackos are. Hopefully more rational thinkers are formulating our energy policies.
Gudrun Scott May 22, 2012 at 06:11 PM
Star Gazette of Elmira newsletters@e.stargazette.com had a headline May 21, 2012 a report of DEP investigating methane gas escaping in Bradford County but when you click on the article they say oops- it has been removed.... As for NY unemployment, it is just about what the average is all over the nation around 8%-- not a good showing I admit but that does not mean we ought to "burn the furniture"-- our own good water to extract a one time resource - not renewable - each well will produce for about five, maybe less or maybe a couple years more -- then what? Lastly- I was described by somebody here as a wacko and bizarre person-- and I notice that bullying and namecalling is only too common amongst the enthusiastic frackers-- not a good sign of rationality and science which is what they keep saying is on their side.
Gudrun Scott May 22, 2012 at 06:38 PM
Bucky, the Green Revolution is not a failure in other places- Germany provided meaningful subsidies for solar power and they got the lead in the industry world wide now. Of course they are more motivated since they do not have oil and gas giants in Germany to battle with. Did you know that one hour worth of sunlight on the planet earth amounts to all the energy that is used by all of mankind for an entire year. Harvesting solar produces no environmental waste product. Our big energy companies like Shell etc will be switching to solar as soon as our government has figured out how it can be done successfully and if you google the latest article in the New Yorker titled "Artificial Leaves" you will see scientists are hot on the trail. Subsidies to oil and gas companies are leading to a bunch of tired and overused propaganda commercials on how great those energy companies are but we know better- Texaco wrecked the Equadorian Rain forest and its peoplein the 1990s all for enough energy to fuel the US market for exactly one day. Shell did damage to the Nigerian Delta more recently and these companies just learned how to bribe the politicians and too often they ignore the locals-- at their own peril.
shelia jacke May 23, 2012 at 01:19 PM
When we all find out years from now that this is outdated and harmful to our areas of peace quiet and scenic beauty, we will look back and wish it had not occurred. When there are still areas of of country that are unspoiled and the water is still good enough to drink, why would we want to industrialize those areas? Chesapeake is so poorly run, and lying to their investors.
Gudrun Scott May 23, 2012 at 03:24 PM
sheila, very well said by you!! This poll her is 70% in favor of drilling but every time you click on this conversation you can vote - even if you have nothing to say but insult the opposition - so how do we know that there are only a couple of people who vote over and over as they are so determined to get their mitts on some money and nothing else seems to matter to them. . so do not be discouraged by the "votes" here-- there is a reason why the patch people alert us to the fact that it is not a real poll.
Jimmy May 23, 2012 at 03:38 PM
Drill Here Drill Now! Bring a soldier home!
Alphonse May 24, 2012 at 01:14 PM
Here is an important article on the long-lasting benefits from natural gas development: http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/marcellus-shale-economics-101-more-than-art/8922/ And if anyone is interested in solar or wind generated energy, they should read: "A Primer on Renewable Energy" by Dr. Howard C. Hayden. Available from www.valeslake.com
Gudrun Scott May 24, 2012 at 02:44 PM
Alphonse, Economic 101 This describes Texas were hydrofracking got started in the late 1990s . long term effects are not in there as promised. Right now, Texas has no water left to fight fires and the entire state is in a dry emergency situation-- still millions of gallons of water are extinguished with each frack. Economics is discussed without the expense of bad health. The mayor of Dish Texas in Fort Worth Calvin Tillman has two children both have come down with nosebleeds and asthma problems that affect children more than adults-- the price of this illness is "priceless"--- it affects the economics of the entire family they need to move away. Long term effects of the drilling are not discussed in the article and sure you will have plenty of jobs-- cleaning up superfunds if taxpayers can still afford it- We know here in NY we are still throwing money at the Sinclair Refinery that polluted the Genesee River and caused a lot of cancers decades ago. What about property values after the extraction of the nonrenewable fossil fuel is out of there? Will anybody be ahead at that time with finally considering conservation and renewable clean energy? Why not give the billions tax subsidies to renewables right now instead of squandering it on daily commericals about how great the drill industry is. however, thanks for your post and I sincerely am sorry that people were banking on profits from heaven ( well earth) --- and it won't be that simple.
Linda Dabulewicz July 29, 2012 at 11:53 PM
what kind of scientist? I have a degree in science too but I am a Social Scientist. Humans are quite a lot of liers and I would suppose you might be too.
Jimmy July 30, 2012 at 01:47 AM
Unless you all turn off your gas stoves and furnaces as well as park your cars you antis are all hypocrites. Your nat gas coming into your houses has been fracked as well as the gasoline in your car.
SAL THE TURK December 15, 2012 at 07:15 PM
When is people going to wake up. You see these people called environmentalist , they are the left over of the Communist, please don't call me nuts yet ? They don't want us USA to be independent of the foreign energy or become BIG in energy export ,while Iran, Saudi, and others spacial y Russia are exporting more and more , I believe we should frack where ever but with very caution at certain areas lakes rivers ponds so on ,and i believe with watch dogs in place it can be done safely , the environmentalist and the Greenpeace are brothers , they pup up after the fall of the Berlin wall and there give every one the impression that they are warred for the universe and every one on it ,the followers believe them 100% and follow them because they are very conscientious people just like the religious people do and get followers , they hard at work to make every one believe what they tell them and the follower don't take the time to look at the other side of the story they just herd enough so they block every thing ales including the truth . continue next
SAL THE TURK December 15, 2012 at 07:16 PM
continued from above The gas drilling couldn't come at a better time , mark my wards its going to pull as out of the economic mass , it will bring back the industry left USA and more history showed time after time industry follows cheep energy and labor today labor is not a big concern like use to be with computerization and robots what we can produce here with 10 men you need 25 Chinese to do , i can keep writing on and on the benefits of drilling here in NE or all of USA i have 300 acres some next to water some far from it i will lease soon as my coalition says so. good luck all SAL THE TURK


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